Racism

[.HellzPori.]

Originally Posted by tanna

Any and all racism is wrong.

i agree with this part. but then again, some poeple might say, it isn't.

Originally Posted by tanna

If there is no universal truth, then is racism justifiable in some cases? By replying in the negative you will have contradicted that very notion of the non-nonexistence of universal truth.

if there is no such thing as "universal truth" then nothing can be justified nd that is what i meant. think about it. who is going to be the final judge to justify right from wrong? each individual has their own morals nd each individual decides for their own .. what is right nd wrong .. what is true nd false ..
but there is not one conclusion whether something is right or wrong.

Originally Posted by tanna

Whether or not Bangladesh is better off now than it would have been had it still been East Pakistan is besides the point.

If you deem Pakistani action in the liberation war justifiable then do you also not condemn Hitler and his cohorts? (Hitler firmly believed that he was doing the right thing)

Need I remind you that of the purported 3 million bengali lives lost, women and children made up the majority of that figure. How do you justify that? Do you plead the absence of universal truth?

just cuz of one leader, i cannot blame an entire nation. speaking of Hitler, that guy made his army nd gave them duties. they were to participate in a genocide nd if they didn't, they became the victims instead. Hitler was a psycho in the sense that he had brutally murdered innocent people ("non-Aryan folks") .. people who had nothing to do with World War 2. the Jews did not take weapons nd attack the Nazis. whereas, Bangladesh nd Pakistan were both at war. if the case was that only THEY killed us, then i would say, they did us wrong but we killed their people too, didn't we?

[Force_Recon]

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^what do you think of this?see how they are using the integration and obeying-our-laws phrases to justify their racism?

[tanna]

Originally Posted by .HellzPori.

whereas, Bangladesh nd Pakistan were both at war. if the case was that only THEY killed us, then i would say, they did us wrong but we killed their people too, didn't we?[/color]

..ehh

You ought to read up on the topic that you address in your posts. West Pakistani civilians were never targeted by the mukti bahini in their struggle for freedom.

The whole thing's irrelevant really.

I do not condone racism whatever the circumstances. It's just that you had better realize that by adhering to that notion of the non-existence of universal truth, you contradict yourself when you insist that all forms of racism are wrong. It's a paradox in itself.

And do not speak ill of the liberation war by falsifying the realities of the bengali endeavour. It's unethical to do so.

[.HellzPori.]

Originally Posted by tanna

..ehh

You ought to read up on the topic that you address in your posts. West Pakistani civilians were never targeted by the mukti bahini in their struggle for freedom.

The whole thing's irrelevant really.

here's an old expression that i found in my World Issues textbook. it says, "one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter."
now u figure out what that means .

Originally Posted by tanna

I do not condone racism whatever the circumstances. It's just that you had better realize that by adhering to that notion of the non-existence of universal truth, you contradict yourself when you insist that all forms of racism are wrong. It's a paradox in itself.

look, i don't think ur getting me here.
i did not contradict myself anywhere.
see, there's always 2 (or maybe more) sides to everything. one person may choose one side nd another person might choose another side but that doesn't mean any of them r right .. or wrong per say. we do not know who is right or wrong. in our minds we think we're right, whereas another person might think we r wrong. there is no final, solid conclusion really. RIGHT nd WRONG .. TRUE nd FALSE .. it's all in our heads nd our perception. some people think it is okay to murder someone to take revenge (that is why they murder in the first place), whereas others think it's wrong. it all depends on how u see things. no one can force an answer on u, saying "oh, this is true nd u have to believe me." (facts such as "the sky is blue" or "birds can fly" .. r a completely different story, however)
nd why do u think we debate? it's cuz there's no final conclusions to debate topics. we can go on nd on nd on about something nd never find the truth. akjon er belief to belief e theke jai right?
nd one more thing .. whatever i believe is not necessarily TRUE. no one can judge the truthfulness of my thoughts.

Originally Posted by tanna

And do not speak ill of the liberation war by falsifying the realities of the bengali endeavour. It's unethical to do so.

also, i did not falsify anything. r u trying to say that us Bangladeshis did not kill any Pakistani soldiers?
my whole point was that there was bloodshed on both sides, whatever the reason was. i am not ignoring the fact that the Pakistanis killed more Bangladeshis (includes civilians), but even though we did not go as far as they did, we still did kill. nd in my opinion, any kind of killing nd war is wrong.

Originally Posted by Force_Recon

BBC NEWS | Europe | Long road to Swiss citizenship
^what do you think of this?see how they are using the integration and obeying-our-laws phrases to justify their racism?

good for them.
i have said this before, nd yet i'm saying it again .. "we should all be considered equal cuz we r humans."

[fat_dark_ugly_boy]

Originally Posted by .HellzPori.

but even though we did not go as far as they did, we still did kill. nd in my opinion, any kind of killing nd war is wrong.

sumbody comes 2 kill u... wont u put up a fight?? i dont think self defense is wrong... nd hence, sum type of killing nd war is justifiable... i do think Hitler shud hav been stopped, evn if dat required a war... i, for one, wud support dat...'any' is a very strong word... but, of course, u can hav n opinion dat is different frm mine...

i dont think we did anything wrong by figthing pakistan army... coz dey started killing our ppl on 25th... innocent ppl... so we had to put up a fight against dem... i think it will b unfair if sumone blames us 4 putting up a fight 2 save innocent ppl (do i sound like bush?? )... it was a war dat was forced on us...

if u can recall, we wanted it 2 b settled in a more civilized way b4 25th... dats y bhutto nd yahia came 2 dhaka... instead, it was a slaughter we got... nd we put up a fight... wat option we had?? US was against us... so UN literally cud do nothing... any war is wrong in ur opinion... can u plz suggest wat wud b da rite thing 2 do in dat circumstance??

aar i tried 2 go through da discussion... nd one thing i dint get... how come all ppl r equal?? in which way?? yes, we bleed, we are similar... but are we equal?? mane r we talking about ppl widout considering da skills dey possess?? can any1 xplain it 2 dis stupid guy, how on dis earth r we all equal?? mane kon parameter e??

[gonder]

RACISM is an important ingredients in the history of mankind. it helps

[.HellzPori.]

Originally Posted by fat_dark_ugly_boy

sumbody comes 2 kill u... wont u put up a fight?? i dont think self defense is wrong... nd hence, sum type of killing nd war is justifiable... i do think Hitler shud hav been stopped, evn if dat required a war... i, for one, wud support dat...'any' is a very strong word... but, of course, u can hav n opinion dat is different frm mine...

i dont think we did anything wrong by figthing pakistan army... coz dey started killing our ppl on 25th... innocent ppl... so we had to put up a fight against dem... i think it will b unfair if sumone blames us 4 putting up a fight 2 save innocent ppl (do i sound like bush?? )... it was a war dat was forced on us...

if u can recall, we wanted it 2 b settled in a more civilized way b4 25th... dats y bhutto nd yahia came 2 dhaka... instead, it was a slaughter we got... nd we put up a fight... wat option we had?? US was against us... so UN literally cud do nothing... any war is wrong in ur opinion... can u plz suggest wat wud b da rite thing 2 do in dat circumstance??

aar i tried 2 go through da discussion... nd one thing i dint get... how come all ppl r equal?? in which way?? yes, we bleed, we are similar... but are we equal?? mane r we talking about ppl widout considering da skills dey possess?? can any1 xplain it 2 dis stupid guy, how on dis earth r we all equal?? mane kon parameter e??

alright, i have some answers for u.
i gave whatever u said a lot of thought, nd i have to admit that it does make sense.
i guess amader r onno kono choice chilo na than to fight back .. but then again .. think of Mahatma Gandhi .. he never fought back physically, did he? nd didn't drive the British out of India?
but .. see, akhon amra ja discussion kortesi, it's pretty far away from where we started the discussion.
.. some posts back someone said that they hate Pakistani people cuz of the fact that the Pakistanis killed his/her uncle during the war.
so i said, well, think of it this way .. we had a war .. they were oppressive but oi war er jonno to ami Pakistani der hate korte pari na. i mean, keno korbo? for instance, my best friend is Pakistani (nd this is true), i don't hate her cuz she has nothing against me. war was in the past, so what is the point now to hate them? i don't find any justifiable reason really. jara war korsilo, tara to most probably old nd frail nd some r even dead. hate korle oder koro, but why hate the entire race in general?
last but not least, when i meant equal .. i meant to say we r all human. every human has a heart nd has the ability to feel the SAME feelings .. love .. hate .. sadness .. happiness ..
we also have the same potentials. some people use it more efficiently than others, therefore they have more power. but then again, at the end of it all, we r still human. that is why we r equal. eishob social class nd everything was created by humans .. what for really? ami bujhina. eishob er jonnoi ajke world e ato war, ato hatred nd ato discrimination. no one sees the sense of humanity first. always dekhe power, religion, sex nd ethnicity.
in my opinion, the whole world should be communist .. honestly.